Comments on: Cheating and Joe Gibbs Racing? I Never Thought THOSE Would Go Together http://motorsportsnews.net/archives/1582 Home of the FREE Stock Car Gazette E-zine Mon, 14 May 2012 01:01:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: becki4jb http://motorsportsnews.net/archives/1582/comment-page-1#comment-189742 becki4jb Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:37:25 +0000 http://motorsportsnews.net/?p=1582#comment-189742 "....only the dyno-testing post race, which in my opinion, shouldn’t even be happening! Shame on NASCAR!" Dan Absolutely Dan!!! Not only that, NASCAR practricly forced this hand by making Toyota change in the first place. They didn't let Toyota get points for their own hard work, then they want their dyno results - (some of this comment edited) - But, it is jusdt amazing that Gibbs, who NEVER cheats cheats once, gets caught and has the most harsh penalties ever! I mean, suspended INDEFINAATELY! WOWOWOWOWOW! Dudes have to get new jobs now I'm sure. “….only the dyno-testing post race, which in my opinion, shouldn’t even be happening! Shame on NASCAR!” Dan

Absolutely Dan!!! Not only that, NASCAR practricly forced this hand by making Toyota change in the first place. They didn’t let Toyota get points for their own hard work, then they want their dyno results – (some of this comment edited) – But, it is jusdt amazing that Gibbs, who NEVER cheats cheats once, gets caught and has the most harsh penalties ever! I mean, suspended INDEFINAATELY! WOWOWOWOWOW! Dudes have to get new jobs now I’m sure.

]]> By: bubbagump http://motorsportsnews.net/archives/1582/comment-page-1#comment-189740 bubbagump Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:26:27 +0000 http://motorsportsnews.net/?p=1582#comment-189740 More then just me will be skeptical... I'm confused? Does this mean more at first, THEN just you? Why will the others change their mind? More then just me will be skeptical… I’m confused? Does this mean more at first, THEN just you? Why will the others change their mind?

]]> By: bernie golick http://motorsportsnews.net/archives/1582/comment-page-1#comment-189739 bernie golick Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:06:49 +0000 http://motorsportsnews.net/?p=1582#comment-189739 To who ever wants to know! I will give you a 50 Year Statement. # 1 the fish stinks from the head # 2 The high Corporate will say to the one's below- Make the problem go away ( show them we lost too much power!) You can take that anywhere you want. The little guy,s always take the hit. To who ever wants to know! I will give you a 50 Year Statement. # 1 the fish stinks from the head # 2 The high Corporate will say to the one’s below- Make the problem go away ( show them we lost too much power!) You can take that anywhere you want. The little guy,s always take the hit.

]]> By: bucker mcclintock http://motorsportsnews.net/archives/1582/comment-page-1#comment-189738 bucker mcclintock Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:34:12 +0000 http://motorsportsnews.net/?p=1582#comment-189738 I don't blame JGR for placing magnets under the accererator. If NASCAR had the correct test equipment, testing at the tracksite would still be questionable. It is a given fact that they have damaged engines using their temporary limited equipment. If I were a NASCAR vehicle owner I would scream on high if those inept testers wanted to hookup my engine. Take the vehicles back to a shop with correct equipment that insures that the engine would not be damaged. I don’t blame JGR for placing magnets under the accererator. If NASCAR had the correct test equipment, testing at the tracksite would still be questionable. It is a given fact that they have damaged engines using their temporary limited equipment. If I were a NASCAR vehicle owner I would scream on high if those inept testers wanted to hookup my engine. Take the vehicles back to a shop with correct equipment that insures that the engine would not be damaged.

]]> By: Bob http://motorsportsnews.net/archives/1582/comment-page-1#comment-189736 Bob Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:46:31 +0000 http://motorsportsnews.net/?p=1582#comment-189736 I believe NASCARs penalties were appropriate. I disagree that this is a widespread problem in the Gibbs Racing organization. And, I disagree that the team should be shut down for a period. The cheating appears to be the action of a couple individuals in the organization - not the whole team or the whole organization. The penalties should be appropriate to those individuals. JGR has several hundred employees. They depend on the sponsers $$ for paying their house payment, grocery bills, etc. The unauthorized actions of a few individuals should not threaten the livlihood of others. Also, this is the first time JGR has been brought into question. If this was Chad Knaus, for example, I would say shut him down. He has a reputation for cheating. If all the cars had an advantage, why would Denny Hamlin be wining after each race about the ignition, the engine, or the fuel pump? Why wouldn't Tony be winning races? At Chicago, horsepower did not win that race for K. Busch. He out drove JJ. Joe Gibbs career has taken place in a "glass house". First as a head coach in the NFL and now as a Nascar Team owner. His decisions and motiviations have been questioned in the sport pages and on the internet for years. After this scrutiny, most judge him as a honest man. NASCAR will examine his organization more closely now. The cars of JGR will be more closely examined in inspections because they are not "squeaky clean". If JGR is an organization that cheats as a way of doing business it will come clear in the future and we will be able to judge them more clearly than on this specific incident. I believe NASCARs penalties were appropriate. I disagree that this is a widespread problem in the Gibbs Racing organization. And, I disagree that the team should be shut down for a period.

The cheating appears to be the action of a couple individuals in the organization – not the whole team or the whole organization. The penalties should be appropriate to those individuals.

JGR has several hundred employees. They depend on the sponsers $$ for paying their house payment, grocery bills, etc. The unauthorized actions of a few individuals should not threaten the livlihood of others.

Also, this is the first time JGR has been brought into question. If this was Chad Knaus, for example, I would say shut him down. He has a reputation for cheating.

If all the cars had an advantage, why would Denny Hamlin be wining after each race about the ignition, the engine, or the fuel pump? Why wouldn’t Tony be winning races? At Chicago, horsepower did not win that race for K. Busch. He out drove JJ.

Joe Gibbs career has taken place in a “glass house”. First as a head coach in the NFL and now as a Nascar Team owner. His decisions and motiviations have been questioned in the sport pages and on the internet for years. After this scrutiny, most judge him as a honest man.

NASCAR will examine his organization more closely now. The cars of JGR will be more closely examined in inspections because they are not “squeaky clean”. If JGR is an organization that cheats as a way of doing business it will come clear in the future and we will be able to judge them more clearly than on this specific incident.

]]> By: Dan http://motorsportsnews.net/archives/1582/comment-page-1#comment-189735 Dan Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:44:55 +0000 http://motorsportsnews.net/?p=1582#comment-189735 NASCAR to the best of my knowledge does not have an equal horsepower rule. They specify engine mechanicals such as cubic inches, piston configuration, carb CFM, etc. It's up to the manufacturers and team engine builders to achieve as much power as possible under the mechanical limlitations specified. Toyota this year has obtained more power with those mechanical limlitations than the other brands. Now NASCAR starts putting cars on engine dynos because Toyota is winning too much and issues an additional restrictor plate for the Toyotas. The Gibbs boys were trying to protect some of the hard earned engine power they had achieved presumably through legal means, they didn't "cheat" in the race! If anyone should be ashamed it should be NASCAR! If NASCAR wants equal power out of the engines then they better start issuing the engines. This is supposed to be competition, between drivers, between teams, and engine manufacturers. NASCAR is trying to take away the engine manufacturer competition by legislating equality. Again, the Gibbs boys did nothing to influence the outcome of the Michigan race, only the dyno-testing post race, which in my opinion, shouldn't even be happening! Shame on NASCAR! NASCAR to the best of my knowledge does not have an equal horsepower rule. They specify engine mechanicals such as cubic inches, piston configuration, carb CFM, etc. It’s up to the manufacturers and team engine builders to achieve as much power as possible under the mechanical limlitations specified. Toyota this year has obtained more power with those mechanical limlitations than the other brands. Now NASCAR starts putting cars on engine dynos because Toyota is winning too much and issues an additional restrictor plate for the Toyotas. The Gibbs boys were trying to protect some of the hard earned engine power they had achieved presumably through legal means, they didn’t “cheat” in the race! If anyone should be ashamed it should be NASCAR! If NASCAR wants equal power out of the engines then they better start issuing the engines. This is supposed to be competition, between drivers, between teams, and engine manufacturers. NASCAR is trying to take away the engine manufacturer competition by legislating equality. Again, the Gibbs boys did nothing to influence the outcome of the Michigan race, only the dyno-testing post race, which in my opinion, shouldn’t even be happening! Shame on NASCAR!

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